Anton Chirkunov is the founder of Wheely, a luxury ride hailing app based in Moscow and London. A typical tech founder prodigy, Anton built the first version of the company at just 23 years old. Since then, it’s grown into a thriving business with more than 250 employees, and next year plans to expand from into Paris and beyond.

In today’s episode, Anton tells us why it’s okay to spend two years building the wrong product; how it feels to be the underdog every single day, and why he never learned to drive himself.

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